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Wow.... seems y'all are reading way too deep into this. Note the wording:
| Quote: | | ...after a video surfaced of Clinton telling backers that her delegates should have a role in Denver. |
Well... uh... yeah... elected delegates have "roles" at party conventions. That's what they do.
| Quote: | | Clinton last week seemed to leave open the option for a symbolic roll-call vote at the convention later this month. |
SEEMED.... translation: This is all speculation. This sounds much more like Fox being Fox and trying to stir controversy on their own.
And no one can deny that Clinton has been very gracious and has been stumping for Obama even going so far to hit up her own backers to raise money from for Obama.
| Quote: | | Clinton says her defeating Obama at a contested Democratic National Convention “is not going to happen” but she is looking for a way for her delegates to vent before getting behind the future nominee ahead of the November election. |
Well... yeah... again.... that's part of the purpose of a party convention, to let everyone have their say to some degree. Don't forget that the woman got 18 million votes in the primary. If she were some fringe candidate who didn't win a single state and yet was lobbying for a convention role, that would be different, but you can't ignore that level of support. And it would be idiotic for party leaders to shut up the concerns of 18 million people, including the duly elected Clinton delegates at the convention.
And as shown in polls since the primaries ended, even the die-hard Clinton supporters who said at the time that they would not support Obama if he won the nomination are coming into line. If party leaders tried to stifle the voices of Clinton supporters, that would simply stir up the bad feelings again and counter-productive.
And as for this being some type of scheme to place Clinton's name into the nominating process, that's absurd. Y'all are starting to sound like the loonies who cover their homes in aluminum foil because they think aliens are listening in on them. At this point, her profile has been so bumped up, she's in a very powerful position in the Senate and doesn't need anything beyond that.
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| Posted: Thu,07,Aug,2008,2,47,pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | If she were some fringe candidate who didn't win a single state and yet was lobbying for a convention role, that would be different, but you can't ignore that level of support. And it would be idiotic for party leaders to shut up the concerns of 18 million people, including the duly elected Clinton delegates at the convention.
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I can....... Hell I would invite the 18 million, but I would make them all sit by the door to the kitchen...... 
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| Posted: Thu,07,Aug,2008,7,13,pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Cap honestly,
i think Bill and HIllary can take "poops" on your head and fool you into believing they are just trying to keep you warm. The conventions for the past few DECADES have been nothing more than coronations. Clinton has to REQUEST that her name be brought up for nomination. IT is NOT the norm for this to happen at conventions anymore. But hey believe as you wish buddy.
By the way have you purchased your Clinton cheerleading outfit yet? |
To the contrary, Woodie, you can't even discuss any issue pertaining to or involving the Clintons without your eyes going bloodshot and monkeys flying out of your ass. Even the most mundane, everyday actions you interpret as some form of vast Clinton conspiracy.
If you have an issue with the way conventions are run, you can email the DNC here: http://www.democrats.org/contact.html
And as recall, even Jerry Brown got a prime speaking spot despite his watery showing in the primary. Not to mention, as reported on CNN this afternoon, should such a thing go down, it would occur during the day when very few people will be watching anyway.
And let's be straight about this, had Obama suffered the same fate as Clinton in the primary--losing by a very small margin, Woodie, you would be the first to demand that he figure into the convention prominently, including his delegates.
I really this think is much ado about nothing though, regardless of how you feel about the Clintons. Call her want you like, but "stupid" is not one of those characteristics. She's smart to access where she is--a very comfortably held Senate Senate from a large state, already influential in that role but even more so after her showing in this primary. She's not foolish enough to piss off her own party, all of Oabama's supporters and even alienate her own supporters who though they voted for her are moving en masse to Obama. Hell, I'm one of them.
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| Posted: Thu,07,Aug,2008,7,29,pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | She can play this down the middle and Obama can lose and she can play the I told you so card in 2012. Open your eyes. |
That just doesn't fly, but it's typical of the treatment she received during the primary--damned if you do and damned if you don't. If she remained on the sidelines, you haters would condemn her for not pulling her weight, swallowing her pride and doing what's best for the party as a whole. If she lifts a finger in any way to help Obama (which she has already done to great praise by Obama himself), you same haters would spin some wild idea that it's all due to some ulterior motive.
| Quote: | | And I can assure you he wouldnt' be running around trying to get his name in the nominating process. He would have bowed out and she would be the nominee period. |
Now how the hell can any of us say something like that with any sincerity? No one will ever know, will they?
| Quote: | | Explain to me how the hell is this going to heal wounds? |
That's pretty simple--to pacify those 18 million people who voted for her, including all of her delegates. It's common practice to give runner-up candidates a prominent role at the convetion--both parties do it. It's even less of an argument that has to be made in this election cycle because the margin of victory for Obama was SO small.
You're just assuming the worst here, Woodie, and arguing over something which hasn't even transpired.
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| Quote: | | Giving the runner up a prominent role is one thing. Making moves to get her nominated is another. If you put your name up for nomination then you have a chance of being NOMINATED. Why is that so hard for you to understand? |
There's a CHANCE of John McCain putting Troy King on the ticket too... you're arguing against a worst case scenario, Woodie. Why is THAT so hard for YOU to understand? Look, we get it, you see red every time the name Clinton is mentioned. You despise them. We understand. We know you will always assume the worst about them. But be realistic, please. Even OBAMA went on the record with a show of confidence in her today, stating that he doesn't think anything "funny" is up with this.
And word just broke on MSNBC that Bill Clinton has been offered a prime time speaking role on Wednesday of the convention.
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| Quote: | | Just an observation but is that seeing red thing the same thing you do with Bush Cap? |
When it actually has to do with an issue and is something tangible to argue about, I can be, absolutely. I don't recall predicting scenarios in the future, assuming the worst, then condemning him for something which hasn't even transpired, no.
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. I need a vomit emoticon. 
